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Article on Nick Diaz' Boxing skills compares him with others etc… good read

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12:46 pm
November 27, 2011


limassweed

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The Pugilist: Nick Diaz, Daniel Mendoza, and the Sweet Science of Bruising 

 

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There seems to be some confusion amongst fans as to how one should regard Nick Diaz’s "boxing". For many, it seems incongruent for him to be labeled the best boxer in MMA when so little of what he does in the cage can be qualified as being "good" boxing; leaning too far forward in his stance while leading with his face;  keeping his hands far out in front of him where they can’t be used to protect the head; feet planted instead of light on the toes; very little movement of his head. Needless to say, none of what you’d expect from an elite boxer.

And yet, the results speak for themselves, with his most recent display of prowess coming at the expense of the previously labeled "best boxer in MMA", BJ Penn. How can Nick Diaz be the exemplifier of the "sweet science" when everything he does runs counter to what entails "good" boxing? The answer lies with the fact that everything he does is exactly what "good" boxing calls for, and the only reason we fans fail to acknowledge this is because we have narrowly focused on the sport as fought under the Marques of Queensbury rules, ignoring the lessons left to us by those who competed during the earlier reigns of London Prizefighting and Broughton’s rules. Fortunately, a few of them were thoughtful enough to write down what entailed good boxing for the "sweet science of bruising".

It  is most likely that you never heard of Daniel Mendoza, which is of no  surprise since his last public match took place in 1820, but if ever  there was a kindred spirit to Diaz it was him. A descendent of Spanish  Marronos, he was the father of scientific boxing, whose success helped  elevate the position of jews in 18th and 19th century English society.  And much like Diaz, he seemed incapable of understanding finances while  also being notoriously quick tempered with a propensity to fight  whenever he felt slighted in the least, having once famously gotten into  three altercations while on his way to be a spectator for a match (the  three reasons being that someone’s cart had cut him off in the street,  he felt cheated by a shopkeeper, and he didn’t like how a man was  looking at him). Most importantly he was an amazing boxer, the best of  his era, being the 16th man to hold the English (World’s) heavyweight  championship (possessing the title from 1792-1795), and the only  middleweight to ever accomplish that feat.

 

The  ruleset that Mendoza fought under during his time was the one divised  by Jack Broughton in 1743, the very first codified set of rules in the  history of the sport, which were fittingly named Broughton’s rules.  They were very simple, numbering seven in total, dealing with such  things as the size of the ring, the holding of the purse, and the  choosing of umpires. Of the seven, only the last had anything to do with  what tactics were allowed during competition.

 

VII.  That no person is to hit his Adversary when he is down, or seize him by  the ham, the breeches, or any part below the waist: a man on his knees  to be reckoned down.

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To elaborate: the only thing banned was the hitting of a downed opponent or any wrestling below the waist. Everything else –  hair-pulling, grappling above the waist, wrestling or tripping your opponent to the ground, and, of course, striking with the bare fists – was allowed. And since no gloves nor hand wrappings were used, throwing with all one’s might or aiming blows to the head was naturally discouraged lest you break your hand.  In fact, striking ability often rated below wrestling ability with regards to importance in gaining a victory, as seen by our three examples below with the the text being from the 1855 compilation Fights for the Championship; and Celebrated Prize Battles (the full title is much, much longer) and the images from Famous Fights: Past and Present, a boxing newspaper that ran from 1901 to 1904.

12:54 pm
November 27, 2011


limassweed

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Throws to the ground were something like the body-blows of their day, where damage would be accumulated over time with the goal being to eventually wear down your opponent from hard falls to the earth time and time again.

 

Another trick which has been used very successfully by some boxers when contesting under London prize ring rules is when wrestling with an opponent to make it a point to fall heavily on top of him, crushing the wind out of him as much as possible.

- BOXING AND HOW TO TRAIN, RICHARD K FOX Publishing  Co. (1913)

 

Since Mr. Mendoza was often much smaller than his opponents, and excelled in the technical striking department, he developed a stance that allowed him to not only attack but also assisted in negating his opponents attempt's to grapple and throw him. Here is his description of how one should stand, which he labeled his second prinicple in "MENDOZA'S TREATISE, WITH HIS SIX LESSONS" taken from "The Modern Art of Boxing" (1789).

 

the position of the body, which should be an inclining posture, or diagonal line, so as to place the pit of the stomach out of your adversary's reach. The upper part of your arm must stop or parry the round blow at the head; the fore-arm, the blows at the face of stomach; and the elbows, those at the ribs: both knees must be bent, the left leg advanced, and the arms directly before your throat or chin.

 

This illustration of Mendoza facing off against his former trainer Richard Humphries should give us a pretty good idea of what he is trying to convey in the text above.

 

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Mendoza is on the right, in his recommended stance (although often fighters would lean further forward then shown here, as if "into the wind" ) hands far in front, knees bent.  By leaning forward and keeping his hands extended Mendoza made it very diffilcult for any opponent to get him to the ground. His legs were too far back from from his opponent to trip or kick, and if they attempted to rush in he was already braced to meet their charge, his hands extended to push back and keep them away from his body, his forward leaning posture to assist in countering their mass.

 

From this position he could also launch a wide variety of offensive maneuvers. He could strike with either hand (his first principle was equilibrium of the body, the ability to operate with either the right or left side) with the preferred targets being the face, stomach, and side. And if one wanted to be less than gentlemanly they could sneak in an elbow for good measure. The outstretched hands made it simple to sieze an opponent who entered into range, after which he could trip, throw, or fib (fibbing was the art of putting the opponent in a headlock and then punching away). If you click here you can see an example of initiating the clinch from standing from Ed Jame's 1878 manual "Boxing and Wrestling". And yes, this illustration is from the boxing portion of the book and not the wrestling.

 

Now, let us examine a gif of Nick Diaz in action against BJ Penn and lets see if we cannot find a resemblance.

 

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While the resemblance is there, there is also one obvious difference between the two: the position of their hands. Mendoza's palms are turned inwards towards him him while his knuckles are facing his opponent, meanwhile Diaz either keeps his hands open with palms directed at Penn, or facing the ground when squeezed into a fist. The reason behind this difference is determined by one simple item: gloves.

In his 1910 self defense manual "Defense dans la Rue" Jean-Joseph Renaud explained the difference gloves made when boxing:

The inconvenience of punches is that in giving them, one risks injuring one’s hands. The hand is a grasping organ, made for holding and not for hitting. As a general rule, the metacarpal bones are too delicate to withstand the force that a very vigorous extension of the arm produces. Ah! If a fighting glove of 3 or 4 ounces protects the hand then it’s a different story; not only does one not injure oneself in striking, but the "knock out" becomes rather more easy to deliver! … for example, with bare fists it’s difficult to put an opponent out of action by striking the angle of the neck, the jaw and the the ear, though with a glove one clearly fills this angle and it’s not even necessary to hit very hard.

When one realizes the ease with which a fist could be broken without a glove or hand-wrappings to protect it the positioning of the hands by Mendoza and other bare-kuckle fighters begin to make a lot more sense. By striking with a straight punch with either the knuckles pointed down or the fist perpendicular to the ground, they could guarantee that their knuckles lined up with their wrist, lessoning the chances of injury. And it was easier to deliver such a punch if the fist started in that position. Protecting their hands was also why most fighters limited themselves to straights and jabs to the head, staying away from hooks and overhands that could easily shatter against a hard skull. Hooks to the body were a different matter, with many fighters preferring to strike here than to the more risky head. The luxury of gloves means Diaz's options aren't so limited (although he hasn't abandoned targeting the body either).

Diaz's methods for evading his opponents attacks also mirror the advice given by Mendoza.

Parry the blows of your adversary's right hand with your left, and those of his left hand with your right

Since trying to cover up without the benefits of boxing mitts is a much more difilcult proposition, Mendoza suggested a strategy I'm familiar with from my days of studying Kra Maga. With hands extended,  the defender parries the blows as they come towards him, deflecting before they reach the body.  A good example of Diaz using this technique, redirecting his opponents strikes by slapping them away, was displayed in his fight against Scott Smith, starting at the 4:13 mark in the first round when he bats away a combo.

 

The other benefit that the outstretched arms give you is that anyone trying to strike at  you is inevitabily forced to throw from further away – beyond the defensive arms – and most of these punches end up being channelled between the arms, making it easier to follow incoming blows. This also gives you another option to defend against the incoming fist:

 

It is always better to avoid a blow by throwing the head and body back, at the same time covering the pit of the stomach, than to attempt to parry it.

 

(Click the gif below to see this demonstrated by Diaz.)

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[Jean-Joseph Renaud also detailed another common technique used by bare-knuckle prizefighters which Mendoza doesn’t touch upon:

One of their principle tactics consisted, instead of parrying or slipping, of receiving the blow on the bony part of the face, by which means their opponent would break his hands.

It should be noted that both Penn and KJ Noons, the only two fighters to go the distance with Diaz in his last 11 fights, both broke their hands during the contest]

 

 

The other great similarity between Diaz and his 19th century prizefighting predecessors is found in his movements. Since  being thrown to the ground was of paramount concern, fighters did and could not use the same amount of bobbing, weaving, and dancing we've become accustomed to, and instead had to make sure they remain balanced, so as to not give their opponent the opportunity to put them on their backside. This desire to always remain on solid footing spilt over into how one advanced on their opponent.  Here is how Mendoza recommended a person to advance:

 

Advancing,

Is practised by placing the right foot forward at the same distance from your left, as your left is from your right in the first attitude; you then throw your left foot forward so as to resume your original position, and thus keep gaining on your antagonist as he recedes.

 

What Mendoza is describing is often termed "square gating", or,  when strikes are thrown, "shift punching". The technique was one that involved shifting the rear foot forward while simultaneously delivering a punch on the same side as the advancing leg, adding the boxer's mass to his strikes. An example of shift punching is provided by Bill Lang and can be seen in the video below starting at the 45 second mark (ironically, his victim, Bob Fitzsimmons, was famed for his deadly "Fitzsimmons shift" with which he defeated Jim Corbett)

12:55 pm
November 27, 2011


limassweed

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The benefits of wearing gloves is is revealed by the number of times Lang throws angled blows at Fitzsimmons head.

 

And here, in the midst of this gif of highlights from the Diaz vs KJ Noons II fight, we get an overhead shot showing Diaz demonstrating some text book "shift punching". In concurrence with each step he throws a punch, alternating between the left and right. The lumbering steps mask several benefits offered by the technique: it allows Diaz to advance and attack, step for step as his opponent retreats, adding his momentum and weight to each strike, and all in a controlled manner.

 

But perhaps the characteristic that Diaz and Mendoza have most in common, is their killer instincts.

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If he gives way, or is staggered by a severe blow,

You should not be anxious to recover your guard and stand on the defensive, as this will only be giving him time to recollect himself, but take advantage of his momentary confusion and follow up the blow.

 

I can think of no better way Diaz exemplifies the spirit of Daniel Mendoza than in this.

 

Of course, I don't want to imply that Diaz's fighting is based exclusively on 19th century prizefighting techniques, nor that Nick DIaz and his coach, Richard Perez, have even intentionally set about to mine and recycle the methods used by past pugilists. But I do find it interesting, intentional or accidental, that in trying to adapt boxing to the cage, that we  find many of the same tried and true methods of the past re-emerging. It leads me to wonder what more there is to learn from these past masters of an extinct sport.

 

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12:57 pm
November 27, 2011


limassweed

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Post edited 12:57 pm – November 27, 2011 by limassweed


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6:56 am
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Very interesting.  Thanks for posting.

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